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Wednesday, June 3, 2009

And The Spamming Blogger Strikes Yet Again

This article did not really start out as an article. Originally, I just wanted to leave a comment in Moolah's blog here (http://whereiszemoola.blogspot.com/2009/06/and-spamming-blogger-strikes-yet-again.html), but seeing how long that comment quickly became, I thought it would be better to write it here instead.

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Dear Moo,

Even though I may not be actively trading nor blogging on the Malaysian market this year, your blog is still one of the few blogs I read regularly. Do keep up the good work!

As you know, the "spammer" (who goes under multiple nicks) is very well known by nearly everyone in Malaysian investing blogsphere to "spam" several blogs for a very long time now, for example, if they were to write articles that gives a hint of disagreeing with him, even if this is imaginary on his part. (and I use the word "spam" euphemistically here, as more often than not, they are often a poorly disguised form of public slandering, imaginary allegations and personal attacks).

In my case, he has done it hundreds if not over a thousand times as I indicated in my blog in the past. And when one has been sensatized, one is naturally more “in tune” when the same thing happened to others such as yourself, Dali, etc..

His case is very unique. There is really no one else quite like him over the Net. As I had the personal experience and opportunity to reflect on this, I am no longer surprised, because as human beings, our pains are unique to ourselves, and the result of a prolonged pain can give rise to certain irrational behaviors, and as unique beings, will tend to have their own unique signatures. (e.g. some people has been known to resort to alcohol under duress, whereas others resort to physically abusing wife/kids, others committing even murder / commit suicide under prolonged duress, etc.).

In his case, one signature is his chronic, recurrent, and long lasting spamming, regardless of what others say to him / of him. He simply ignores and continued his spamming.

Another signature is the content of his spams - e.g. the one you just quoted. The contents are typically delusional, imaginative and sometimes bizarre claims. As I mentioned earlier, it sometimes is a poorly disguised form of public slandering and personal attack on imaginary attributes.

For example, if we reflect closer on his last one - “Ha ha sour cow, feel the pain ? did my sifu sam 's achievement get you hurt ? ha ha cool it sour cow cool.”

Observe his signatures:
- Laugh for no apparent reason.
- Childishly, without real provocation, called you names such as "sour"
- Deluding himself of your pain (or is it his imagination of your pain?) instead of the true pain that he himself might be experiencing.
- Irrationally fear that others will forget about Sam's (or self?) achievement (or failure?) and so, acted on the urge to remind you constantly (via repeated spamming) of Sam’s achievement, whether real or imaginary (should one be so fearful of true and genuine achievements that it requires constant reminders?).
- Pathologically and constantly deny emotional responsibility when he asked you to "cool it".
- Repeated and end with childish name calling ("sour cow cool").

And observe the other typical signature – the rinse-repeat method.

The truth is -- even without me identifying it here and regardless of the nick, we all know immediately in our hearts that this is his signature (I am referring to the spammer himself whoever he is).

And when we take a step back, and reflect on the entire behavior from a detached viewpoint, what conclusions can a reasonable person make?

Even though we may not know who he is in real life, we can make some common sense and reasonable deductions. For simplicity, I will refer to the spammer as “he”, and I am quite certain that it is a “he” – I have yet to meet a female who behaves like this in the investment world – we can reflect on this later why is it that only males tend to behave like this but not females (who have a different way to deal with pain).

1. He clearly feels insecure. Insecure enough that he has this uncontrollable urge to attack you without real provocation repeatedly over the years without stopping. His insecurity is not limited to you, but includes others.

2. His clearly fears you. So much so that, he still sees the need to attack on the slightest hint of threat, even if it is not real but his own imagination.

3. He clearly felt a prolonged pain from something which was previously linked to you. He has no real reason to be jealous of you, since you don't publicly trade nor publicly disclose your trade results.

As I have plenty of opportunity to reflect on him in the past, I believe he has personally lost something meaningful or something large and important to him in the past. Whatever it is or whether the loss is real or perceived, is not really that important. What is more important is his own feelings towards that real / perceived loss – to him, it is very real. So much so, that he has to resort to this regularly and over a prolonged period.

4. Whatever it is, he still felt the Pain to this day. He is no longer in control of his Pain. Instead, his Pain controls him and drives him to do what he does, as an automatic reaction. He is like a Pavlov dog who salivates immediately as an automatic response whenever he hears the bell ringing. He is unable to let that Pain go. He still clings tightly to it, but for what beneficial purpose?

5. Sadly, over time, he has developed an intimate relationship with this pain which he still cannot let go even today. Most likely, he is unaware of the need to let that pain go. He is reasonably intelligent, so, I'm sure he has made past attempts to let that Poison go. However, I believe he felt an emptiness when he tried to do this, and so, the emptiness eventually brought him back to spamming you/me/others. It appears my absence in the past few months has seen him channeling his Pain to you and others as alternative outlets. It appears he still cannot let go of this root cause which is the Pain.

6. I believe his experience is not unlike someone who has lost a loved one, and unable to let that person go even though that person has already passed on.

7. Clinically, this happens more common than I originally thought. From society's viewpoint, he needs help, not more criticism. The root cause may relate to his strong attachment to his ego. It doesn’t help when others boost his ego to get tips. It is not dissimilar to giving the drunkard more alcohol to drink.

8. The other (less likely) possibility may be that he is merely doing his “job” when he blogs and spams. When things don't turn the way "it should be", you (or someone else or something else) had to become a convenient excuse, or a diversion. Either way, to cover up his own inadequacies.

9. His regular and chronic use of multiple Net names is indicative of this self-delusion. He doesn't appreciate that he cannot fool everyone all the time. Even the best get caught out when they do it long enough (e.g. Madoff), and in his case, he has been called out more than once. His signature is to ignore and continue.

10. Rationally, he knows it is self-delusion, but because it is a delusional act of perceived self-preservation, we cannot expect him to acknowledge this publicly. Ironically, healing for him would actually require him to reach out to someone in the real world and acknowledge that his past behavior is wrong so that he can heal and move on. But seeing how entrenched his behavior has become, this would be almost impossible for him to do by himself. I believe he will find it easier to heal when he reaches out to someone physically to break out from his habit (e.g. from not using multiple nicks, not publicly slander others on personal basis on the slightest hint of threat, to engage in reason, to be emotionally mature, and other signatures above).

11. As mydreamgetrich has suggested in the past, his chronic behavior is likely linked to isolation, coupled with lack of family/corporate/social/other meaningful network/relationship. He is most likely single, with no intimate / superficial connection/relationship in the real world. It doesn't help that he reinforces this behavior regularly in his blog. It has gotten to a stage where for years, he has not thought twice about lying to others over the Net. It had become habitual and second nature to him long ago. Hence, even if he were to try to stop by himself today, I’m not optimistic that it would be a permanent change, without some form of public acknowledgement or reaching out to a real life person or seeking the help of a medical professional.

12. So, as much as we like him to reflect on this article for his own benefit and hopefully see a permanent change in his behavior, the truth is statistically and from personal experience, it very rarely happens - don't be surprised if we don’t see that happening ... a strong and long lasting momentum like this is not likely to stop immediately and reverse …..

13. Going forward, if/when he spams again, I think the way you handled it (which is to remove it from sight after you've read it) is the correct way ....... there is no emotional benefit for you to hang on to it when it is clearly slanderous ........

And everytime when I receive such "spams", I would pause and reflect on his own pain, what drives him to do this, and reflect on his own inadequacies to find a better channel.

I reflect that since he is unable to deal with whatever that really bothered him, this became his outlet ….

I reflect that it's not dissimilar to an irresponsible father who drinks and come back home to physically abuse his wife/kid when he perceives (whether real or imaginary) that something didn't work out right at work/money/etc.

And then, I proceed to put that slander out of my sight.

14. And how should others respond when the "spammer" strikes again? Here, I think similar steps to 13 applies also. Read it ....... think about it ............ and reflect on the spammer's own pain ........... clearly he is in pain which drives him to do what he does .............. and because of hs own inadequacy, he does what he does and we should reflect on his inadequacy ................

So, in short the best thing that we can do for him as third parties - when he "spams" - is ironically to stay silent.......... Perhaps send a short note or show of support to Moolah .......... Tell Moolah tht you know that it has nothing to do with him ...... Acknowledge that it has nothing to do with us third parties ........... and acknowledge that it has everything to do with the spammer where regardless of what we say, it did not stop the spammer before ............

If the spammer has genuine friends and followers, they should continue to try to advise him to stop.

15. And when we are publicly slandered, we too should first reflect on our own egos – if the slander and allegations are untrue, why did we respond in a way that we later don't feel so good about our initial response? In my case, when I reflected long and deep enough on it – usually it boiled down to our own ego.

We may reason away that every human being usually have a limit that when pushed repeatedly over a long period of time – we simply snapped under duress and when under constant harassment.

But sometimes, we also need to reflect further on why we snap. Ultimately, for me, it comes back to my own attachment to my own ego ...... and I believe it is also true for many. The truth is, we don’t feel good when we’ve been slandered publicly. We fear others may start believing the slander to be true if repeated long enough. But when we fear, it reflects our inadequacies to deal with that fear.

16. And dear "spammer", as I know that you are reading this, my advice is try to let IT go …. Whatever IT is, decide and resolve to let it go ….. and then, let it go ……..

It is really not worth your emotional well being to be clinging on to it for so long …… The longer you cling on to it, the longer and worse the poison becomes.

You should not be too fearful of what others have written ........ whether it is TA vs FA ............ whether it is an article that points out the negative side of a stock .............. much has been debated before about TA vs FA, and much has been debated before about individual stocks good and bad points. All stocks have good and bad points ....... There is no need to resort to public slandering ........ there is no need to be fearful.

As I tried to allude to you long ago when you first wrote to me under a different nick, don’t let the fear (or loss or hatred) poison your heart ….. Don’t become the person you hate to be most ………

For what it is worth ......... in my own heart ........ I have forgiven you for EVERYTHING that you have done a long time ago, and no longer bear any hatred towards you …….

If my advice is worth anything, whatever IT is that you have been clinging on so strongly to your heart, “Let IT go”. It is not worth clinging on to.

Best wishes,

Seng.

PS. I am only a human being, so, don't take me too seriously too ......... and of course, you are always right ;-)

PS2. I have decided to disengage comment moderation. I am doing so because I trust in the Buddha seed and the goodness in the Spammer's heart. I realize what I said may appear harsh, and perhaps his response to my article would be a way for me to redeem my past karma ..........

54 comments:

CP said...

Seng,

you really done a thorough analysis. Wow. Respect, man.

Err ... I don't know but I do have an 'follower' who will once in a while give bad remarks and such. Each time I mentioned I lost some trades, he will come in and laugh. Kinda sicko.

I do have comment from 'okating' asking me to learn from Sam. Honestly, I do follow Sam's blog(used to) as I do respect him. And he seems to have a lot of followers gaining from his call. Yes, I dont care if it is FA or TA, as long as a trader/investor showing skills in profitting, I m willing to learn.

Anyway, chat with u some other time, ya.

TEH

Moolah said...

cp,

Whether this spamming blogger is good or lousy is rather irrelevant.

The issue is ... why on earth is he doing what he is doing?????

Does he know and understand simple words such as 'respect' and 'integrity'?

okating said...

Ha ha such a long story arh ? you seems more painful than moolah did , spamming happened to all bloggers not only you , who is more childish ? sour cow with samegang ? think about it before you critic others.

Jealous , envy ? Sour seng & sour cow ?

okating said...

Ho ho ho, backhand seng bring his fan to holland arh ? whole world know about it in sifu's blog >

Samgoss said...
Woww..2 Mr invest2rich, Previously u r seng n mo mo cow's fan ar ?..how hurt if they read this comment !? ha ha..they bring u 2 round d garden ar ? never too late 2 know that ..fyi, u r not d first one who said that 2 me ^V^ ..told u oledi, mandarin is not d only weakness 4 both of them ^_-

WOww... so many ppl interested ar ? die liaoo...if i let u know now..I dun think i can buy it @ friday closing price , definitely she will shoot up after my announcement ..how ar ?? anyway..is ok..once I got it, i will tell u my cost, u decide whether 2 4low or not ?

2 Alan,pls repost yr request again cos I hv accidently deleted yr posting..sorry bro.

2 all of u, I hv a problem sending email 2 u all, know y ? cos in hand i hv about 539 fans + d above, it will come 2 about 600+ emails, how 2 email 2 u guys ? as u know , there is a limitation of email sending per hour, d maximum is about 100 emails per hour , how ar ? how 2 send it 2 u all b4 10.30am ?

Big problem here ^_^

Anyway..i will try my best , i will send it out based on first come first serve basic, d rest i will blog it up after 10.30am.

Gd nite ^_^

okating said...

Seng's fan invest2rich got something to say here >

invest2rich said...
Halo, Sifu Sam, I am Long time
silence reader for your blog
for 1 year, I m respect with
stock picking at the right time by
u and generosity sharing with netizen.
Previously I had been participant in Seng Blog, I hardly to learn from them instead of play fool by Seng & MooMoocow. When i ask them a question regarding some of their opinion. They will lead me to 'round the garden'. Hopefully u will add me into ur mailbox
invest2rich@gmail.com
Cheer
ong

June 6, 2009 10:17 PM

okating said...

Seng 's fan Invest2rich blog >

http://investtorich.blogspot.com/

okating said...

More & more people know how sour moolah was ,he cant stand his fans praising sifu sam, he cant stand people make money from klse, he cant stand people buy new car, read the below, from longpinezi


longpinezi said...
Sifu sam , read the below > sour moolah banned his fans bcoz they talked about you in his blog, what a sour cow .


In seng cbox>

24 Jun 09, 17:36
mydreamgetrich: n u realise ezi keep toking abt sam. maybe tat oso piss moo abit.. n we tok rubbish all the time


cycle: or make new chatbox?
24 Jun 09, 16:59
cycle: so now chat here?
24 Jun 09, 16:59
ezi: you can see my comment on ah sam
24 Jun 09, 16:59
ezi: nope.
24 Jun 09, 16:59
ezi: language is not the issue as from the beginning it was like that
24 Jun 09, 16:58
cycle:

24 Jun 09, 16:58
mydreamgetrich: say the truth la.. we dun mind
24 Jun 09, 16:58
mydreamgetrich: ezi u r sam kaki izit?


24 Jun 09, 16:58
cycle: wm la...
24 Jun 09, 16:58
cycle: i mind my language wat...
24 Jun 09, 16:58
mydreamgetrich: ppl oledi give warning
24 Jun 09, 16:58
ezi: one of the reason for closing cpcb is ah sam or i would said the main reason. hehehe


In CPCB chat box >

m: sorry..
24 Jun 09, 16:52
cycle: we did wat...
24 Jun 09, 16:52
m: i already requested you guys to stop the profanity here.
24 Jun 09, 16:52
mydreamgetgold: watch ur language la
24 Jun 09, 16:52
mydreamgetgold: i think i told u his reason
24 Jun 09, 16:51
cycle: y, moo moo
24 Jun 09, 16:51
m: this cbox will be closed down. sorry.
24 Jun 09, 16:51
m: You guys start looking for own cbox, ok.

cycle: like samgoose ar?
24 Jun 09, 16:40
cycle: very cinapek...
24 Jun 09, 16:40
mydreamgetgold: lol
24 Jun 09, 16:40
mydreamgetgold: cinapek buy camry.. big n cheap (worth the money)
24 Jun 09, 16:39
weALthmaGnet: single playboy
24 Jun 09, 16:39
mydreamgetgold: so cycle u cinapek?
24 Jun 09, 16:39
ezi: masali
24 Jun 09, 16:39
weALthmaGnet: cycle has a porsche carrerra la
24 Jun 09, 16:39
cycle: tk drive wat then?
24 Jun 09, 16:39
weALthmaGnet: dream...
24 Jun 09, 16:39
ezi: "ball-che" porche
24 Jun 09, 16:39
cycle: how u knw i not cinapek?
24 Jun 09, 16:38
mydreamgetgold: camry to cinapek for him

June 24, 2009 5:48 PM
Samgoss said...
Woww..this is a good stuff longpine , hooo hooo...who is spamming who now ? i wanna 2 buy camry oso they knew ar ? sour moolah oh sour moolah....

cannot like that lah,,,how can u banned yr team members just bcos they talked about me ? like that oso u jealous ar ? aiyoo yooo

k..i will blog this up if i am free.

thks longpine, this is really useful 2 me.

June 24, 2009 5:54 PM

okating said...

Halo ezi, my sifu has something to tell you >


Samgoss said...
Ha ha take it ezi got hurt again ! see his repond ha ha... woww..i 4got u r student of backhand seng liaoo..17% gain arh ? ha ha backhand oh backhand ! like that oso can arh ? i can even say I bot Handal @ 0.50 for 1000lots n sold all @ 1.30 jz now , u believe me meh ? u know how 2 write d word of "shame " in chinese ? oppss..4get u r a banana ..sorry yah ? kid opp kid... I tot u wanna 2 buy kfima @ 0.40 ?? never 2 late 2 know u r still akid ^_-, I jz like d way u fras in kid's blog , keep it up kid ^_-

2 clement , it is enuf... stick 2 60: 40 for d time being .

Jtinter is a Solid FA stock, slowly but surely 4 those who like high dividend stock.




wait another one..0.70cts ?/ who bot @ 0.70 ? kid..really feel so sad 4 yr parent, u r not blind in yr mother tongue but also blind in figures ! u cant read 1, 2 3 ,4 meh ?

Wanna 2 learn yr mother tongue from me ?

Jgn marah yah ^_-

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